called to be catholic no not al all

Today, 11:34 am WildCatholic WildCatholic is offline Junior Member Join Date: January 22, 2013 Posts: 443 Religion: Catholic Default Not everyone Called to be Catholic? I had a good friend who is a seminarian tell me this one time when I was talking about another friend of mine who was a very devout Catholic, but left the church for an E-Free Church or something like that. Anyway, he said "Not everyone's called to be catholic". Now I could understand if my female friend wasn't very well formed as a Catholic (and she might not have been. Just going to mass doesnt make one fully formed) but as I said she attended Mass and was pretty involved, but bam she decided to leave the church (or as she put it "Grow in faith" since she only calls herself Christian). To me that seems like rejecting the faith which sadly puts a soul in jeopardy. This disturbs me because my seminarian friend is otherwise very orthodox and logical and loves the faith, but saying this bugs me. You can't just leave the Catholic faith and expect the road to heaven to be easy. I know it sounds harsh, but i guess i'd just like an explenation on whether some people are not meant to be Catholic Reply With Quote #2 Old Today, 11:55 am Della Della is offline Forum Master Join Date: May 18, 2004 Posts: 12,654 Religion: Catholic Default Re: Not everyone Called to be Catholic? He may have been trying to allay your fears for her, but still, it wasn't really the best comment to make, IHMO. God wants us to be one in faith not divided, and he wants to have the fullness of the truth and the sacraments and the graces they impart. So, your friend has cut herself off from the very things that could ensure her salvation. Definitely not a good thing. This doesn't mean, however, that she is doomed. She may have to "wander in the wilderness" for a time to appreciate what she left behind. I would not say it was God's will she leave the Church--that would be ridiculous, but I would say that her doing so may make her see what she is missing. Like the Father in the story of the prodigal son, he had to let him go in the hopes he would see how wrong he was and return. Perhaps that's what your seminarian friend meant to convey. __________________ The external deserts in the world are growing, because the internal deserts have become so vast. -- Pope Benedict XVI Tiber Swim Team, Class of '87. Inklings! "Sanctum erit, facere bonum" Della's blog: http://dellakmg.blogspot.com/ Reply With Quote #3 Old Today, 12:29 pm jmjconder jmjconder is offline Regular Member Prayer Warrior Join Date: December 1, 2007 Posts: 1,102 Religion: Born Latin Married a Byzantine Default Re: Not everyone Called to be Catholic? Quote: Originally Posted by WildCatholic View Post I had a good friend who is a seminarian tell me this one time when I was talking about another friend of mine who was a very devout Catholic, but left the church for an E-Free Church or something like that. Anyway, he said "Not everyone's called to be catholic". Now I could understand if my female friend wasn't very well formed as a Catholic (and she might not have been. Just going to mass doesnt make one fully formed) but as I said she attended Mass and was pretty involved, but bam she decided to leave the church (or as she put it "Grow in faith" since she only calls herself Christian). To me that seems like rejecting the faith which sadly puts a soul in jeopardy. This disturbs me because my seminarian friend is otherwise very orthodox and logical and loves the faith, but saying this bugs me. You can't just leave the Catholic faith and expect the road to heaven to be easy. I know it sounds harsh, but i guess i'd just like an explenation on whether some people are not meant to be Catholic I would say that everyone is called to be Catholic...since it is the only way to have unity among all Christians. Seminarians are still being formed and taught - I have heard some inaccurate statements come out of their mouths. __________________ Glory to Jesus Christ! Glory Forever! Reply With Quote #4 Old Today, 1:00 pm signit signit is offline Junior Member Join Date: October 26, 2006 Posts: 322 Religion: Catholic Default Re: Not everyone Called to be Catholic? Sometimes I wonder about this one. Not "cradle Catholics" who left their faith, but those who never were Catholic. I'm thinking of a friend of my father who attended his Protestant church and was as righteous and God-fearing as anyone, and was a devout member of his church and never smoked or drank. Maybe God didn't "call" him to be Catholic? God sure could have used someone like that. Reply With Quote #5 Old Today, 1:26 pm Della Della is offline Forum Master Join Date: May 18, 2004 Posts: 12,654 Religion: Catholic Default Re: Not everyone Called to be Catholic? Quote: Originally Posted by signit View Post Sometimes I wonder about this one. Not "cradle Catholics" who left their faith, but those who never were Catholic. I'm thinking of a friend of my father who attended his Protestant church and was as righteous and God-fearing as anyone, and was a devout member of his church and never smoked or drank. Maybe God didn't "call" him to be Catholic? God sure could have used someone like that. Most often people stay in the ecclesial communion in which they were brought up. Your father's friend probably never gave his affiliation a second thought, nor ever asked God if he should be anything else. It probably never occurred to him that he needed to go anywhere else. By reason of his baptism he would have been in imperfect union with the Church, but he never received all the benefits of his baptism by being in a body outside of it. He was no doubt of use to God, as much as he could be. Indeed, he sounds like he did a better job of using the graces God gave him than many a Catholic who doesn't bother to take advantage of all they could have had and done. According to the Church God will judge non-Catholics by how they used the graces God gave them when they had no real opportunity--through ignorance and other barriers to becoming fully reconciled with Christ's Church. __________________ The external deserts in the world are growing, because the internal deserts have become so vast. -- Pope Benedict XVI Tiber Swim Team, Class of '87. Inklings! "Sanctum erit, facere bonum" Della's blog: http://dellakmg.blogspot.com/ Reply With Quote #6 Old Today, 1:39 pm lizaanne's Avatar lizaanne lizaanne is offline Veteran Member Join Date: February 4, 2005 Posts: 9,746 Religion: Roman Catholic Default Re: Not everyone Called to be Catholic? So let's break this down a bit... All human beings were created by God - right? = Yes God wants ALL souls to be in heaven - right? = Yes We live in a fallen world due to original sin - right? = Yes We have free will to choose right/wrong - right? = Yes So.... Because we live in a fallen world, there are those who will be led astray by false teaching, live in circumstances where they will never have the opportunity to learn about the Church, and those who will - of their own free will - chose not to be Catholic, even after they have been told about the Good News. But --- God wants all souls to be in heaven. It is our circumstance of a fallen world and free will that leads us away from Him. Every single human being is called to be Catholic, because that is where the fullness of truth, and the sure chance at heaven resides. There is no other response to your seminary friend but to say that he is quite wrong in stating otherwise. God wants EVERY soul, He calls EVERY soul to Him. WE are the ones who reject that call --- not the other way around. ~Liza Reply With Quote #7 Old Today, 1:59 pm billcu1's Avatar billcu1 billcu1 is offline Regular Member Join Date: June 8, 2011 Posts: 1,413 Religion: Roman Catholic Default Re: Not everyone Called to be Catholic? I would say that not all are called no. Jesus said in prayer in praying for us to the father. "For as many as you have choosen to give to me." God has other plans too. Reply With Quote #8 Old Today, 2:06 pm lizaanne's Avatar lizaanne lizaanne is offline Veteran Member Join Date: February 4, 2005 Posts: 9,746 Religion: Roman Catholic Default Re: Not everyone Called to be Catholic? Quote: Originally Posted by billcu1 View Post I would say that not all are called no. Jesus said in prayer in praying for us to the father. "For as many as you have choosen to give to me." God has other plans too. This makes zero sense. Are you telling me that God created souls that He does not want with Him in heaven? ~Liza Reply With Quote #9 Old Today, 2:12 pm billcu1's Avatar billcu1 billcu1 is offline Regular Member Join Date: June 8, 2011 Posts: 1,413 Religion: Roman Catholic Default Re: Not everyone Called to be Catholic? Quote: Originally Posted by lizaanne View Post This makes zero sense. Are you telling me that God created souls that He does not want with Him in heaven? ~Liza No but but heaven is not eternal. Heaven and earth will pass away. We will all become united with the trinity eventually. What God wants for us more than anything is for us to be exactly like him. Reply With Quote #10 Old Today, 2:16 pm lizaanne's Avatar lizaanne lizaanne is offline Veteran Member Join Date: February 4, 2005 Posts: 9,746 Religion: Roman Catholic Default Re: Not everyone Called to be Catholic? Quote: Originally Posted by billcu1 View Post No but but heaven is not eternal. Heaven and earth will pass away. We will all become united with the trinity eventually. What God wants for us more than anything is for us to be exactly like him. We cannot be exactly like God, we cannot be mini-gods. There is only one triune God. So - when Heaven and Earth pass away, are you suggesting that those souls that have not gone to heaven (or purgatory) have the possibility of still making it to the New Heaven and the New Earth? ~Liza Reply With Quote #11 Old Today, 2:20 pm billcu1's Avatar billcu1 billcu1 is offline Regular Member Join Date: June 8, 2011 Posts: 1,413 Religion: Roman Catholic Default Re: Not everyone Called to be Catholic? Quote: Originally Posted by lizaanne View Post We cannot be exactly like God, we cannot be mini-gods. There is only one triune God. So - when Heaven and Earth pass away, are you suggesting that those souls that have not gone to heaven (or purgatory) have the possibility of still making it to the New Heaven and the New Earth? ~Liza Read THeologia Germanica. The whole point of all this is for us to become the first mover and move of all else. There is only one essence and ours becomes it. Corin says when the imperfect is put off and the perfect is come or something like that. ------- St. Paul saith, “When that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.”6 Now mark what is “that which is perfect,” and “that which is in part.” “That which is perfect” is a Being, who hath comprehended and included all things in Himself and His own Substance, and without whom, and beside whom, there is no true Substance, and in whom all things have their Substance. For He is the Substance of all things, and is in Himself unchangeable and immoveable, and changeth and moveth all things else. But “that which is in part,” or the Imperfect, is that which hath its source in, or springeth from the Perfect; just as a brightness or a visible appearance floweth out from the sun or a candle, and appeareth to be somewhat, this or that. And it is called a creature; and of all these “things which are in part,” none is the Perfect. So also the Perfect is none of the things which are in part. The things which are in part can be apprehended, known, and expressed; but the Perfect cannot be apprehended, known, or expressed by any creature as creature. Therefore we do not give a name to the Perfect, for it is none of these. The creature as creature cannot know nor apprehend it, name nor conceive it. Reply With Quote #12 Old Today, 3:48 pm glombo glombo is offline Trial Membership Join Date: September 14, 2013 Posts: 3 Religion: catholi Default Re: Not everyone Called to be Catholic? Quote: Originally Posted by WildCatholic View Post I had a good friend who is a seminarian tell me this one time when I was talking about another friend of mine who was a very devout Catholic, but left the church for an E-Free Church or something like that. Anyway, he said "Not everyone's called to be catholic". Now I could understand if my female friend wasn't very well formed as a Catholic (and she might not have been. Just going to mass doesnt make one fully formed) but as I said she attended Mass and was pretty involved, but bam she decided to leave the church (or as she put it "Grow in faith" since she only calls herself Christian). To me that seems like rejecting the faith which sadly puts a soul in jeopardy. This disturbs me because my seminarian friend is otherwise very orthodox and logical and loves the faith, but saying this bugs me. You can't just leave the Catholic faith and expect the road to heaven to be easy. I know it sounds harsh, but i guess i'd just like an explenation on whether some people are not meant to be Catholic heool-- God the Holy Spirit -- had me go to a few places to receive the Full Baptism of the Holy Spirit -- so that i can function in all the 9 gifts of the Holy Spirit-- if you do not know how to pray and hear the voice of God -- regarding his will, than you will only be guessing-- what his will is for other people